He is a man who is at risk of losing access to his child and now he is having his say.
"It's sick. It's hatred is what it is," the father said.
We cannot identify him as his identity could lead to the identity of the children at the centre of the case.
Child and family services is attempting to get full custody of two children whose parents espouse white supremacist beliefs.
Another man is the father of the younger child, and this man the father of the older child.
"It's not freedom of religion, and this crap under the constitution. There isn't a constitution in the world that would justify or even acknowledge this is not hatred. It's hatred," the father said.
He says he does not hold the white supremacist views that the other parents seem to have.
He also says the mom is not the woman he used to know.
Social workers seized the children after one of them showed up to school with white supremacist symbols drawn on her body.
A social worker testified that during an interview with the girl she was told that the mother used to read her stories, and wash her hair, but that the attention ended when a new man came into her life.
The worker then testified that the girl said she is "not a nice mommy anymore."
The father says the mother of the children is very easily led, and in his opinion went off the deep end, but says she could be helped through support.
While this father has not seen his daughter for several years, and is not looking for custody, he wants to make sure both kids are safe.
He also is not ready to condemn the woman, saying CFS did not make real efforts to put the family together again and has no plan in place for the future.
"Let's say CFS does get what it's after. Then what do they plan on doing?
He says no one seems to know, or at least no one is sharing those details with him.
The trial continues this week.
With a report from CTV's Kelly Dehn
